We have met a few couples, from here and another site, for drinks in the city.
The venue needs to not be too noisy as then one can't have a descent conversation. It also can't be too quiet as then people will be able to hear what one is talking about. So one needs to find the balance.
There are a few nice bars at Crown that we have been to, that gave us the opportunity to dress up and make a night of it - the Tonic Bar at The Promenade was one of them. One can then have dinner at one of the nearby restaurants and then if one wants something a little more exciting, one can then walk into the CBD and visit something like Centrefold Lounge ... just to put one all in the mood.
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Jason_Courts
Over 90 days ago
Straight Male, 53
Bi-curious Female, 46
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Hmm Nice replies, perhaps we should expand this topic.
Fantasy is fantasy guys.
Well all that the topic says is "Female for Natural Play", although it appears to have been edited and so perhaps has been changed.
If you are asking for a female to go bareback with .... well it wont be long before you catch something and bring this back to infect your unsuspecting wife who is sitting at home.
It's a great pity that the swinging scene has been hijacked by large numbers of so called "single" males, most of whom don't know how to behave at such venues.
Clearly the majority of them either have little or no respect for women, or are under the belief that the women at these venues are all sluts, who will open their legs on command and who enjoy being spoken to in a disrespectful manner.
We have encountered the same mentality and attitude in the chat rooms which appear to have become over-run with ferals, bogans, meerkats & seagulls. To be honest it's chasing the genuine couples away and in our case has started to put us off the whole swinging scene so much do that we prefer not to play at venues that may contain some of the undesirables, that have crossed paths with us , in the chatrooms.
The swinging scene never used to be like this 10 years ago. Perhaps it's the over supply of males that is the cause of all the issues, coupled with being online and as such being able to say what one wants behind the safety of a keyboard?
Friday 13th was our first time at Shed16.
Its a compact venue, in a warehouse, but we quite enjoyed it, as it was more intimate than the rabbit warren found at Attunga, and as such much more manageable. It will be nice once its fully refurbished, the floors have their final covering and the bar area its mirrors and glitz. The spa and outside courtyard will be nice in summer. The lights, in the rooms, are a little too bright - but the upside is that one can then see what is going on, although a dimmer switch would go a long way in making the mood more intimate.
It was great to not have any rude, pushy, 'single' males pestering us and following us around. We enjoyed chatting to the other couples, watching the strip show [although it was over too quickly] and then of course having a little fun of our own, upstairs. Whilst there may only have been 10 or 12 couples, the atmosphere was relaxed and intimate and as such we enjoyed it.
Lets hope that management keeps things on track, and that we dont end up going the same route that Attunga went, as if so, then we wont be back.
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thats not a problm melbcple its the one full of single gals and couples who just cant find a decent guy outside in real world
Hahaha !! Good reply OK&Q.
Its probably filled, to capacity, with "meerkats" , just like Crazy Horse was. In fact we were the only couple there, surrounded my homeless men, with long beards and even longer dicks, beating off furiously ... who then inched closer and closer to us until we had to jump up, and run across the seats just to get out of the hell hole !!
For us swinging is a couple thing. It is something we do as a couple so as to enjoy and explore our sexuality and for this reason we will never play alone. We are in it together and it has been a great way to awaken our sexuality, intimacy and love for one another.
It is sad that there are so many "single" guys out there, on here, and at swingers clubs, who are clearly cheating on their wives/spouses/girlfriends and that they use swinging as a way to "get some action".
We will never be part of that and or play with anyone who is cheating on the person that loves them / that they are meant to live. That would make us part & parcel of the "lie" and to be honest we dont want to ever be blamed for doing something like that.
If we are going to play with someone, there needs to be a mental attraction & bond, one built on respect and trust. If that person is cheating on their other half, there is no trust nor respect and as such we are not interested.
We have just 2 pics of him in the public galleries, of course with both our faces blurred out. In our private galleries there are a few more pics of him, some with faces blurred out and others not. The rule, for us, is to blur out the faces of all pics in the public galleries, and then to blur out the faces of nude pics in the private galleries as one never knows who may try to use them against one in the future, and one of course never knows how secure this site is.
J has appeared on TV a lot and also in one full feature documentary movie in the past, and so we have to be careful that he is not recognised.
Also he takes all the photos, and so there are more of me than of him. He is quite shy and private and just does not like having his photo taken, even by me, nor anyone for that matter.
As for profiles that have a close up of a "cock" in them - that's an instant turn off for me/us and we avoid contact with profiles like that.
J has appeared on TV a lot and also in one full feature documentary movie in the past, and so we have to be careful that he is not recognised.
Also he takes all the photos, and so there are more of me than of him. He is quite shy and private and just does not like having his photo taken, even by me, nor anyone for that matter.
As for profiles that have a close up of a "cock" in them - that's an instant turn off for me/us and we avoid contact with profiles like that.
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Our experience on this site is guys are generally rude, crude, stupid, desperate, lazy and outright retarded.
We are often contacted by guys, they ALWAYS assume they are speaking to the Mrs, many assume we are desperate, most assume they are special when they are 1 of thousands of guys on here, some try and act like they are the greatest at sex able to put pron stars to shame, the things they can do for the Mrs is amazing she has never had it before. Many go straight to crude within seconds of contact, you go sit in chat and get bombarded with chat requests and its always the same thing,
oh babe your hot
fuck you have great tits
id love to fuck you
wanna meet today?
I'm 9 inches cut!!
Did you check my gallery do you like my cock?
It goes on and on, almost every chat request or message is the same tone, guys show no respect for the fact we are a couple, most are rude and appear desperate, we have come to the conclusion a lot of guys here have never been laid because they act like it, then there are the other ones, the type who want to tell you all the shit they think you want to hear...
I am good with my tongue and hands
I always make sure the woman cums
I love woman and want them to enjoy it
Did you see my cock pic?
Oh please, guys live in the real world, being a creep gets you now where, trying to say all the right things well things you think are right is a major fail.
So what is the key to success when contacting a couple?
1 - limited cock pics, sure some couples dont mind them a poll would show most dont care to see your worthless cock, fact is its a cock most are basically the same, yours is not as special as you think, what is special is your gorgeous smile yet nobody shows that here. if you want to have a cock pic up because you are unable to control yourself have 1 or 2 with a bunch of pics showing you the person, show that there is more to you than the worthless thing you are desperate to use.
2 - Read profiles, why guys do not read profiles is amazing, so many guys see a picture of tits and hit the message button, they do not read the profile, heres a silly thought for you, if you show you cannot read a profile why would we want to get involved with you? classic example is a message we had earlier, this guy clearly has not read our profile but asked if we liked the look of his cock and wanted to meet, ummm noooooo you loser. Read profiles so when you contact them you know what they want and can actually message them with some content worth reading.
3 - Making contact, you must stop with the 3 word messages, "your hot babe" firstly get the English right but secondly your message needs to show you managed to pass primary school, when hubby opens messages like "your hot babe" he usually replies with something not so nice and blocks the person, your message needs to show you read the profile, it needs to be long enough to show you put in some effort and not long enough to make it all to hard to read and it needs to show you are someone with more than a cock, someone who has a brain!
4 - This is the biggest one, be normal!!
Sure some couples want to hear how good a fuck you are but we call them the serial hardcore types, most couples we speak to would rather you just be a normal every day person, you need to realize people are not here because they are sex addicts desperate for a fuck, they are often here to experience a little more, often limited in experience, most often cautious because they are a couple and need to be careful not to end up with some wacko, so act normal, do not act desperate, do not start off with sex sex sex., start off with something you might write if this was not a sex site but a normal dating site, show you have a brain and understand they are a couple and that you are a nice guy who is not a big swinging dick who thinks his cock is the best, why not show the truth, show that hey sure you are here for sex like everyone else but show you are normal, maybe a little nervous, keen, excited but also humble and respecting the situation and desires of the couple.
We agree. I, Leslie, receive similar types of messages from guys all the time ...
We would have loved to try WOW at least once, but with two young children, school and work the next day, a Monday night is just not an option for us.
We used to frequent Attunga almost every Sat night, up to the renovations of July 2013, and really used to enjoy the vibe. It became more of a social for us, and we looked forward to meeting the regulars, having a chat, and perhaps a play if we met the right couple. There was always such a nice mood in the place, but that changed after the renovations and new managements policy of letting up to 40/50 "single" guys into the venue. We went back twice after the renovations and never again. It was just not pleasant being followed to the toilets and groped solicited in the passageways.
Sad to hear that similar things are happening at WOW.
We have noticed, during our visits to Attunga ( and we are assuming something similar is happening at WOW), that a couple would arrive at the venue and then immediately split up, the woman sitting at the bar whilst her male "partner" went on the "hunt" effectively becoming a "meerkat". It was established that this happened a lot and was common practice. I guy met a random woman, and invited her to Attunga just as a way to get in, on a couples only night. Perhaps the same is happening at WOW ?
We are concerned at the high number of supposedly "single" males that have, in our opinion, hijacked the "swinging" scene. Was swinging not originally all about "wife swapping" ? Something that happens between couples ? Just why are there now such a high number of "single" males in on the scene? Are these married guys who are not getting enough at home, or are they guys who are unable to find girlfriends / wives of their own and so and try to get in on the action, and into the panties of other guy's wives / partners?
Sadly many of them have no manners and very little respect for the scene, nor for the women / couples who are trying to enjoy it, and they soon become "sex pests", groping and stalking and directing and soliciting...... and to be honest its not a pleasant experience for us when this happens, and it's just become too risky to go to clubs like Attunga as the chances of this happening have become too high.
We have been to 3 private parties in total, all during the course of 2013, and there were no problems at all with single guys, as they only allowed couples in, and those couples all played together and did not split up.
Perhaps the clubs should introduce a rule that both members of the couple need to play and that they are to be together in the same room during the play ? We think that Femme Fantasy in the Western Suburbs has such a rule, but we cant confirm that as we have not been there.
But it would be great if there could be a "safe" venue where couples could have fun without the stress of having to look over their shoulders for the next feral male that is going to jump out of the shadows and have a quick grope.
Yes there are couples who enjoy all of that , including gang bangs, but they are far and few between .
These venue just need stricter control and enforcement. I guess that the management makes a lot more money out of the "single" males than they do out of the couples ? Perhaps the couples are the "bait" and the "honey" that attracts them to these venues in the first place?
Perhaps there should be some kind of "register / data base" that requires that all participants produce ID and that these details are logged onto the system, and that if people dont abide by the rules, its logged onto the system. The database needs to be connected to all the venues, so that should they be kicked out of one venue, and pitch up at the next, at least management would know their "history" ? But perhaps such a database would put off the would be "meerkats" and result in less of an income for the management?
The only way that we, the couples, are going to get management to listen to our complaints, is if we vote with our wallets, put in a complaint and then don't return to the venues until things are changed ?
From what we understand of the law, when it comes to "sex on premises" permits etc, management has a duty of care to ensure that the paying couples are not harassed or intimidated in any manner. Perhaps it is just going to take a complaint to the relevant registering authorities for management to wake up ? But then we suppose they may say that they will simply revert to the venues being gay venues only ? And as such they have us all by the short n curlies ?
Just my 2 cents worth.
regards
Leslie
We have been members on this site for a couple of years now and have been waiting all this time, for the long awaited and long promised total block facility to be implemented. When is this going to happen ? We all filled in a poll last year, or was it the year before. Surely these things dont take so long to implement ?
We are also members on another, much more expensive swingers site, that has a total block facility function. It allows us to block anyone who we feel we need to block and it prevents them from seeing our profile, our photos and from making any further contact with us.
This kind of block function is really needed on this site. We probably will NOT consider renewing our membership until we have some feedback as to exactly what the feature will be able to block, and of course when it will be implemented. Again how much longer are we expected to wait and can we get some straight answers please.
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Ice (frozen water not the drug) is good and it is safe.
Actually ice / frozen water is not safe and can cause problems, including polyps. Its ok to rub an icecube around the outside of a vagina so as to stimulate it, but sticking it up inside is not recommended. Try showing a cube of ice up your bum and then see how you feel.
In fact any gynae will advise one against it.
A gynae will also advise against squirting tap water up the vagina as it contains chlorine and as such is bad for the internal flora.
The vagina has a complex, and finely balanced "ecosystem" or "flora" - in essence good and bad bacteria, fungi etc.
Its very easy to throw out this balance by introducing something that will alter the vaginal PH, making it more alkaline or acidic. When this happens the vagina becomes vulnerable to things like UTI's and yeast infections.
Liquids that contain sugar are a no no as they will add food to the natural candinda albans yeast in the vagina, and could result in an outbreak of thrush.
I, Leslie, am speaking from experience here . Even the wrong kind of lubricant can cause problems.
My advice is to not put any fluids into ones vagina.
The problem with starting a "couples room" is that so many of the couples on SH are not really couples, but guys posing as couples. We have found that out many a time now.
But if a "couple" starts talking like a single feral "meerkat" then its a dead give away - LOL.
Most of the "single guys" dont bother to read ones profile wording and I doubt that they even read these forums.
Before I get shot down in flames for this one, I get a lot of "whispers" from guys, every time I am in the chatroom - easily 30 + in a single session, and 99% of these have obviously not read my profile where it says no whispers. They just go straight ahead and jump in with crude opening lines.
The other 1 % actually start off by saying " I know I should not be whispering to you, as I read your profile ..... but you are a sexy woman and I thought that there might me a chance for me to ... "
So they know that they are wrong, and that they are treading on my toes, but they try their luck in any event. Of course the message that this sends to me, is that that have little regard or respect for my wishes, and then they get upset when I dont take the bait and get down and dirty with them?
Yes, the "single guys" are the ones that keep this site financially viable - its the allure of possibly getting laid, which is why clubs like Attunga are packed, like sardines, with "single" males, on those nights that they let them in. The problem though is that you have 40 + single guys in a club, and only 4 or 5 couples, that the single guys get quite aggressive in their hunt to get laid, as there is a lot of competition.
The same applies to the chat here on SH.
Girth (thickness) is one thing, but length is something entirely different.
From my experience, if a penis is too long, for me, it becomes painful if it is pushed too deep as it then grinds up against the cervix and believe me, for me this is very painful. Other women may not have a problem with a long penis, but I do.
A wider, thicker penis on the other hand can be quite fun as it gives one a "fuller feeling" .
That said, size really is not the be all and end all, it more important to connect with the person and to be taken up in the moment.
A guy can have a huge penis but can be useless in bed and vice versa. It all depends on what one is looking for and what tunes one on and or off.
But penis size is not everything, although thats all that some guys seem to focus on.
Even though this is a swingers site it does not mean that one has to accept offensive and disrespectful comments and behaviour. Clearly the meerkats think that one does, and that it is acceptable for them to behave as such. No one needs to "defend" them as they are not the victims in this regard.
The problem is that they get away with it here in cyberspace and then behave in the same manner if and when they get let into a swingers club, where they continue to push, grope and insult, again using the excuse that it's a swingers club and one must expect such treatment. The reality of the situation is that such behaviour is against the clubs code of conduct and in contravention of its licensing laws. No always means no, and by law no one should feel threatened nor unsafe at such a venue. Ok&Q touched on this subject in the Bayside / Attunga thread in the commercial party section of the forum.
It's not all males that are behaving badly, just a few. And it is these few that give the others a bad name and reputation, and as a result will end up chasing the genuine couples and or females away.
I know that as soon as the Block facility is up and running, that I will use it to block anyone who is disrespectful from viewing my profile. Hopefully the guys will then learn that they get nowhere by such behaviour in here. Surely they don't walk up to someone at work and say these things, so why behave like that in here, unless they see this as a fantasy land?
Well written bay couple and Haidee!!
Btw just had some 56 year old creep making disrespectful and dirty comments on my photos , despite the fact that I have made it clear, in our profile wording, that we don't want or allow comments. He replies that he has the right to comment and if we don't want him to comment then we must remove our photos from our public album !!
Now how typical is that?
He will be the first added to the block list feature as soon as it's implemented on this site.
Just an observation that I (Leslie) have with regards the comments made, in the chatrooms, when there is another female on cam.
It seems that many, if not most of the guys, will make comments just because there happens to be a pair of boobs or a woman on cam, even if the woman was a 90 year old ex sumo wrestler with a hairy upper lip they will still make comments along the lines of " looking good " etc. They seem to comment just for the sake of commenting and I don't think that they are ever sincere nor really mean what they say.
I have put on my webcam perhaps 5 times in total, just giving a few tasteful flirts and flashes. In the process my screen lights up with dozens and dozens of whispers, the majority of which are filled with obscene comments along the lines of : I wanna suck your wet pussy and rim your tight ass whilst I blow my load into your mouth Etc etc
Now clearly the average meerkat on here is of the opinion that just because one has a profile on a swingers site that one is a slut and that one will always be ready, legs widely spread, just waiting for them. And that it's acceptable for them to treat one with utter disrespect and that one has to accept this.
The very same happens at some swingers clubs on those nights that single guys are let in. These meerkats lose all respect and decency and become loud mouthed, feral groupers who hunt in packs and follow the women around, into the toilets, sometimes attempting to kick doors in and or climb over partition walls to private rooms.
Just what is their excuse? Hornyness?
Swinging is supposed to be about couples and it should be a sensual experience. It seems that the "single" guys, who can't get a "root" or a date, have hijacked this site and the swingers clubs as they think that they are going to get lucky. Of courts the owners make a lot more $ off the guys as they are selling the possibility of a root to these meerkats. Which is why there is such a high % of supposedly single guys on here.
And then they wonder why, when they whisper to us, we crap on them. And that's even the nice ones. It's because we have tarred them all with the same brush.
We have, in our profile wording asked them not to comment on our photos, because we were getting a lot of really dirty and disrespectful comments. But still they continue and so we have to delete the comments as quickly as they are made.
Guys, you need to learn how to behave and to treat the real women, and real couples on here with respect. If not you will be ignored and then blocked as soon as the block facility is implemented .
